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Paul McNamara's avatar

"The question, therefore, is not whether vaping is completely harmless. Almost no serious advocate argues that it is."

Alan, I don't mean this personally, but it drives me mad how much advocates use this kind of line. You are buying into the narrative set by those who desire a nicotine free world. The very idea of anything being 'completely harmless' is unintelligible nonsense. The idea of something being "risk free" is also unintelligible nonsense.

When these lines are used by public health, they should not be conceded by THR advocates. It should immediately pointed out to them that they are speaking absolute nonsense. Nothing in life is "risk free". Wearing a seatbelt is not risk free, walking down a flight of stairs is not risk free. Are they going to start campaigning for a seatbelt free world? a stair free world? It is up to them to quantify the risk. They should not be allowed to avoid quantifying the risk by continually trotting out the nonsense claim that it is not "risk free".

Every time a THR advocate concedes this point, you allowing them to do exactly what you complaining about in the above. This should not be conceded.

Alex Wodak's avatar

If Australian opponents of vaping are so damn sure they’re right, and so damn sure that they will succeed in driving vapes out of existence in the country, why this continual barrage of propaganda and dishonest commentaries? Is it perchance that our vaping opponents now realise that they have painted themselves into a corner? Are committed to a position that sooner or later has to collapse? Once again, Alan Gor identifies one of the most troubling aspects of vaping denialism: the refusal to compare vapes with cigarettes. Meanwhile out in the real world, vapes and cigarettes are substitutes for people who enjoy nicotine. Or among people who used to enjoy nicotine but right now would love to stop but can’t. If vaping opponents were honest they would compare the two. Any comparison would have to conclude that smoking cigarettes is about two orders of magnitude more risky than vaping nicotine.

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